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		<title>By: AkaSig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Connecting romanian gypsies: social or digital divide?</title>
		<link>http://www.akasig.org/2006/03/03/connecting-romanian-gypsies/comment-page-1/#comment-100173</link>
		<dc:creator>AkaSig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Connecting romanian gypsies: social or digital divide?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in France and in Romania (the French non-profit would do the French side of the operation). I later tried to do something with colleagues located in Bucarest. All of this lead to no concrete result at the time. The digital divide seemed wide and difficult [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in France and in Romania (the French non-profit would do the French side of the operation). I later tried to do something with colleagues located in Bucarest. All of this lead to no concrete result at the time. The digital divide seemed wide and difficult [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sig</title>
		<link>http://www.akasig.org/2006/03/03/connecting-romanian-gypsies/comment-page-1/#comment-99051</link>
		<dc:creator>Sig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments are welcome. Thanks for them.

I guess talking about "persecution" of Gypsies by Romanians must be exageration nowadays. Persecution must have happened but I hope it is over now. I prefer thinking there is some sort of social exclusion phenomenon happening (as with other minorities in other countries): as you suggest in your post, many non-educated, non-gypsy Romanians may feel offended when people ask them if they are gypsies because gypsies are often considered are thieves. The same thing would happen in France where older people may sometimes use the work "gitan" (gypsy) as an insult. And I assume that some Romanian gypsies themselves must try to differentiate themselves from the rest of the Romanian population, including for cultural or lifestyle reasons. Well, there must be some double-sided exclusion happening there. A similar phenomenon exists in France for French gypsies, French arabs and other minorities. My hope is that tolerance and education can spread across Europe and that people will learn and enjoy living together while keeping their ethnical and cultural wealth and differences.

Regarding the Le Petit Robert thing (happened in the 2002 version, right?), I can feel "the consternation and indignation" you describe in your post. What a shame for such a dictionary to make such a stupid confusion! This reminds me of debates about the value of the wikipedia compared to traditional encyclopedic dictionaries. Such a confusion would not last many days on the wikipedia.</description>
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<p>I guess talking about &#8220;persecution&#8221; of Gypsies by Romanians must be exageration nowadays. Persecution must have happened but I hope it is over now. I prefer thinking there is some sort of social exclusion phenomenon happening (as with other minorities in other countries): as you suggest in your post, many non-educated, non-gypsy Romanians may feel offended when people ask them if they are gypsies because gypsies are often considered are thieves. The same thing would happen in France where older people may sometimes use the work &#8220;gitan&#8221; (gypsy) as an insult. And I assume that some Romanian gypsies themselves must try to differentiate themselves from the rest of the Romanian population, including for cultural or lifestyle reasons. Well, there must be some double-sided exclusion happening there. A similar phenomenon exists in France for French gypsies, French arabs and other minorities. My hope is that tolerance and education can spread across Europe and that people will learn and enjoy living together while keeping their ethnical and cultural wealth and differences.</p>
<p>Regarding the Le Petit Robert thing (happened in the 2002 version, right?), I can feel &#8220;the consternation and indignation&#8221; you describe in your post. What a shame for such a dictionary to make such a stupid confusion! This reminds me of debates about the value of the wikipedia compared to traditional encyclopedic dictionaries. Such a confusion would not last many days on the wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.akasig.org/2006/03/03/connecting-romanian-gypsies/comment-page-1/#comment-98909</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this topic is old enough, but it still accepts comments...

I have French friends from France, Belgium, Switzerland and Quebec/Canada and I know their intentions are good when they speak about helping Romanians in need. However, while I also see in these comments some misconceptions about the "persecution" of Gypsies by Romanians, I'm wondering if there is a lack of understanding or just the pure hypocrisy I described in http://right-behind.blogspot.com/2007/07/romanians-and-gypsies-two-worlds-apart.html - Romanians and Gypsies - Two Worlds Apart.

I'd truly like to hear what do you say about the portray Le Petit Robert gave to our nation. "By mistake", they later said...

A bon entendeur et meilleurs voeux,
Christian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this topic is old enough, but it still accepts comments&#8230;</p>
<p>I have French friends from France, Belgium, Switzerland and Quebec/Canada and I know their intentions are good when they speak about helping Romanians in need. However, while I also see in these comments some misconceptions about the &#8220;persecution&#8221; of Gypsies by Romanians, I&#8217;m wondering if there is a lack of understanding or just the pure hypocrisy I described in <a href="http://right-behind.blogspot.com/2007/07/romanians-and-gypsies-two-worlds-apart.html">http://right-behind.blogspot.com/2007/07/romanians-and-gypsies-two-worlds-apart.html</a> - Romanians and Gypsies - Two Worlds Apart.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d truly like to hear what do you say about the portray Le Petit Robert gave to our nation. &#8220;By mistake&#8221;, they later said&#8230;</p>
<p>A bon entendeur et meilleurs voeux,<br />
Christian</p>
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		<title>By: Sig</title>
		<link>http://www.akasig.org/2006/03/03/connecting-romanian-gypsies/comment-page-1/#comment-44465</link>
		<dc:creator>Sig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear French-readers, don't miss &lt;a href="http://reso.blogs.com/crealiens/2006/03/trouver_des_ami.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Jean-Pierre's latest news about the families he is working with&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear French-readers, don&#8217;t miss <a href="http://reso.blogs.com/crealiens/2006/03/trouver_des_ami.html">Jean-Pierre&#8217;s latest news about the families he is working with</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Pierre</title>
		<link>http://www.akasig.org/2006/03/03/connecting-romanian-gypsies/comment-page-1/#comment-44452</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean-Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but this article was published on october, 2002. Roms gypsies I know lifed that... But now, government of Romania has changed because if process go to term, they are part of EU on january 1st, 2007...

I have some doubts that it will be really "europe" for poorest people... We know, for example in Netherlands, that people with social revenues have many difficulties to go and find job outside the country... A rest of Middle-Age where the poor were linked to their native village...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but this article was published on october, 2002. Roms gypsies I know lifed that&#8230; But now, government of Romania has changed because if process go to term, they are part of EU on january 1st, 2007&#8230;</p>
<p>I have some doubts that it will be really &#8220;europe&#8221; for poorest people&#8230; We know, for example in Netherlands, that people with social revenues have many difficulties to go and find job outside the country&#8230; A rest of Middle-Age where the poor were linked to their native village&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sig</title>
		<link>http://www.akasig.org/2006/03/03/connecting-romanian-gypsies/comment-page-1/#comment-44451</link>
		<dc:creator>Sig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An surprising article on some &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2298973.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;influence France has on the life of gypsies in Romania&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An surprising article on some <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2298973.stm">influence France has on the life of gypsies in Romania</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sig</title>
		<link>http://www.akasig.org/2006/03/03/connecting-romanian-gypsies/comment-page-1/#comment-44450</link>
		<dc:creator>Sig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.wecf.de/cms/download/rep_garlamare_apr05_v1.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;More information about Romanian rural areas such as Garla Mare is available through NGOs&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.wecf.de/cms/download/rep_garlamare_apr05_v1.pdf">More information about Romanian rural areas such as Garla Mare is available through NGOs</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sig</title>
		<link>http://www.akasig.org/2006/03/03/connecting-romanian-gypsies/comment-page-1/#comment-44449</link>
		<dc:creator>Sig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://mapserver.zapp.ro/cgi-bin/mapserver?layer=shops&#038;layer=dealers&#038;layer=outdoor_coverage&#038;layer=county_boundaries&#038;layer=roads&#038;layer=railways&#038;layer=county_towns&#038;layer=cities&#038;layer=waters&#038;layer=woods&#038;layer=relief&#038;zoomdir=0&#038;zoomsize=2&#038;imgxy=299.5+299.5&#038;imgext=151415.991767+4891755.996218+174362.614113+4914703.003340&#038;map=%2Fexport%2Fproduction%2Fpub.hosting.zapp.ro%2Fcommon%2Fdata%2Fmapserver%2Fzapp_coverage_en.map&#038;root=%2Fbuy%2Fnetwork%2Fcoverage&#038;savequery=true&#038;program=%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmapserver" rel="nofollow"&gt;There IS a wireless network coverage all around the city of Gîrla Mare (also known as Garla Mare) as the read areas show on this map.&lt;/a&gt; The network provider shown on this map is &lt;a href="http://www.zapp.ro/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Zapp Networks&lt;/a&gt;, apparently using the CDMA technology (CDMA 450?).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mapserver.zapp.ro/cgi-bin/mapserver?layer=shops&#038;layer=dealers&#038;layer=outdoor_coverage&#038;layer=county_boundaries&#038;layer=roads&#038;layer=railways&#038;layer=county_towns&#038;layer=cities&#038;layer=waters&#038;layer=woods&#038;layer=relief&#038;zoomdir=0&#038;zoomsize=2&#038;imgxy=299.5+299.5&#038;imgext=151415.991767+4891755.996218+174362.614113+4914703.003340&#038;map=%2Fexport%2Fproduction%2Fpub.hosting.zapp.ro%2Fcommon%2Fdata%2Fmapserver%2Fzapp_coverage_en.map&#038;root=%2Fbuy%2Fnetwork%2Fcoverage&#038;savequery=true&#038;program=%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmapserver">There IS a wireless network coverage all around the city of Gîrla Mare (also known as Garla Mare) as the read areas show on this map.</a> The network provider shown on this map is <a href="http://www.zapp.ro/">Zapp Networks</a>, apparently using the CDMA technology (CDMA 450?).</p>
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